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Greyed out dialogue options

Post by AndreyKva » 06 May 2015, 00:30

Basically, if you have already heard what a character has to say on a particular topic then said topic should be greyed out, just like Oblivion and Skyrim. This was honestly the only thing holding me back from enjoying Morrowind and its extensive lore. If this gets implemented at any time, I will honestly give all my money to the project and thank each and every individual who was ever involved in this project. Honestly. Thank you.

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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by jirka642 » 06 May 2015, 02:19

I definitely support this. Having to click on 100 different topics for almost every npc was a lot worse than the "terrible combat system" that some people hate so much.
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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by Tes96 » 12 May 2015, 02:22

I also support this idea. What say you, OpenMW Team?
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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by Zini » 12 May 2015, 09:54

Sounds neat. Might accept this even before 1.0, if someone really wants to do it.

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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by TheMechanist » 12 May 2015, 10:46

jirka642 wrote:I definitely support this. Having to click on 100 different topics for almost every npc was a lot worse than the "terrible combat system" that some people hate so much.
+1

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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by wareya » 12 May 2015, 13:19

Definitely something I want to see. I'd do it if an mingw-based openmw dev environment were rational to set up on windows. Alas, it is not.
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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by Greendogo » 13 May 2015, 18:43

How would this react to dialogue options that will give different reactions the second or third time they are chosen? Leaving them greyed out might prompt the player not to click it again, potentially hindering quest progression or missing out on dialogue content.

On the flip side, leaving them fresh and ungreyed out when there is randomized content or definitely new content to display in dialogue will kind of give it away... though that would still be the preferable option. Just wanted to point it out.

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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by Zini » 13 May 2015, 18:55

This is a valid argument. But I still like the idea. Maybe make the greying out optional (controlled via a user setting).

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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by Jyby » 13 May 2015, 19:55

Code could ask the question: Does this dialog option branch? Has it been branched? If yes, grey this option. Else no.

Another concern is "hyper links" in dialogue options; think of joining a guild.

I like the option to toggle this off. I'm also ok with playing with it on...
Like, I've heard the guildsmen's speech about joining. I don't need to hear it again. Thus that option is greyed.

EDIT: Maybe this could be an ingame toggle in the dialogue screen instead of a menu option.
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Re: Greyed out dialogue options

Post by Chris » 13 May 2015, 22:44

The engine should be able to figure out which dialog entry a given link will lead to ahead of time. So rather than flagging the topic as heard/unheard, flag the target dialog entry. It should then only gray out if the player has read the actual response before. Topics that have a randomized target could have that random value calculated at the start of dialog and remain constant while the player is in dialog with the NPC.

Though there's still issues with dialog that uses talker-targeted variables (e.g. "I'm %name, %class.") which would cause it to gray out the first time it's heard, even though other people would say something different.

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