additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

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claudekennilol
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additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by claudekennilol » 08 Jul 2019, 02:20

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"some npc"->additem "some_leveled_list", 1
works

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"some_creature"->additem "some_leveled_list", 1
doesn't work. It seems like this also doesn't work in vanilla (biggest difference being it silently continues in vanilla while in OMW it completely kills the script). But I guess my question is more why? Is there some mechanical reason it shouldn't work? Is the reason simply because it doesn't work in vanilla so it also doesn't/shouldn't work in OMW?

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Atahualpa
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Re: additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by Atahualpa » 08 Jul 2019, 13:06

Are you sure that this works for NPCs? I just tried it out and it didn't work for me (it was also rejected for containers).

Anyway, the rejection of levelled item lists was implemented by Zini way back in 2012: Commit e13e858c. The original game does not complain when you add levelled item lists to an NPC or creature, but you end up with a useless dummy item instead of the desired randomised item(s).
It could be that the underlying code makes it impossible to add levelled lists at runtime. Maybe one of our main/veteran developers can clear things up.

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Re: additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by claudekennilol » 08 Jul 2019, 16:01

This is a rough description as it's from memory. Running `"some npc"->additem "some_leveled_list" 1` from the console I know behaves as you describe--that it just adds a dummy item. There's a script that runs that adds a leveled list to specific high level creatures and specific NPCs. From my testing, neither (neither as in neither vanilla nor OMW) adds anything to the creature. This was tested by spawning about 20 "dremora" and checking their inventory.

However, "Alenus Vendu" is an npc which has the leveled list added. In vanilla, every time I spawned this NPC (about 6) she had an item from the leveled list. Each time I spawned her in OMW she had nothing from the leveled list on her.

I wanted to make a simple a very simple mod to verify this, but the only install I had available was the free 20th edition from the bethesda launcher and apparently it doesn't come with the CK installed so I couldn't get a simple mod in place to test it for vanilla. (and as far as I could tell open-cs only makes the openmw format plugins)

This is what's in openmw.log

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Execution of script cw_mtt_loot failed:
Object 'cw_trinket_npc' of type struct ESM::ItemLevList can not be placed into a container
MTT IV - http://mw.modhistory.com/download-46-6949
MTT IV patch - http://mw.modhistory.com/download-13-6822

Here is the content of the script
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So from my testing, in vanilla `"dremora"->AddItem "cw_trinket_NPC", 1` fails but doesn't stop execution of the script which continues on to `"alenus vendu"->AddItem "cw_obj_unfinished_ring", 1` which appears to work. In OMW `"dremora"->AddItem "cw_trinket_NPC", 1` fails which kills the script which doesn't get to the portion to add "items" to NPCs.

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Re: additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by AnyOldName3 » 09 Jul 2019, 00:52

I'm pretty sure you can just google Morrowind Construction Kit and find an official download that'll work with any version of Morrowind. You can also make an ESP with the OpenMW CS - just rename the omwaddon file to esp and it'll work just fine. If you've got scripts, though, you'll need to resave it with the vanilla CK, as OpenMW doesn't use or create script bytecode, so that kind of defeats the purpose of what you're trying to do.
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Re: additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by claudekennilol » 10 Jul 2019, 14:29

I've got it on a disk, too. I just didn't have it already installed at the point I was looking into the error.

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Re: additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by kuyondo » 13 Jul 2019, 09:20

Adding leveled list via additem doesn't work in OpenMW. You can do it in vanilla, but you need MCP.. A workaround is to create an empty leveled list, add it into the object directly, and then use addtolevitem command to add items into the leveled list.

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Re: additem, leveled lists, and creatures vs NPCs

Post by claudekennilol » 15 Jul 2019, 13:38

> but you need MCP

My test above was done without MCP

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