Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

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SatoriLotus
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Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by SatoriLotus » 13 Aug 2017, 01:33

Hey everyone,


First off I want to say congrats on the .42 release to the dev team! Great job guys. :)


My issue is that the vanilla CS has a minimum limit of a 0.5 scale setting for races, whenever I set it lower it just jumps back up to 0.5: I'm trying to create the Minish/Picori at a height of approximately 10 inches (I'm estimating 0.15 scale.)

Now, I'm personally a bit confused on the state of OpenMW-CS. Could I create a new race plugin without any issues right now? - Also, does it have this limitation as well?


Thanks in advance.

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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by DestinedToDie » 13 Aug 2017, 01:49

I'm pretty sure OpenMW-CS is functional in this area. Try it out and let us know if setting it to 0.4 works.

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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by SatoriLotus » 13 Aug 2017, 02:41

According to the new CS video, the ability to add first person hands was just now added right? Seems like I timed it perfectly. :D


It worked at 0.15 scale. I'm pretty excited with the results!

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The issues:

-The camera is in front of obstacles to get a closer view in the pictures, the FOV is set to the lowest end of the slider. Can it be extended in the ini or will I just need to manually edit values and instruct users to do the same?

-She runs super fast for her size, as in her steps/gait are too large, could there be a workaround?

-Vanilla users won't be able to use an omwaddon, is there any way to convert to esp or something?

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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by Frik » 13 Aug 2017, 11:14

SatoriLotus wrote:
13 Aug 2017, 02:41
-Vanilla users won't be able to use an omwaddon, is there any way to convert to esp or something?
So far, I haven't had any problems by simply renaming mods created in OpenMW-CS to .esp. Your results may vary.
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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by SatoriLotus » 13 Aug 2017, 21:33

Thanks Frik, I'll test that out. :)

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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by Chris » 13 Aug 2017, 22:10

FWIW, the object scale limit is 0.5 to 2.0, which is inherited from vanilla. If you try to force it to something else, it may seem to work initially but at some point (save and reload) it will be forced back to that range. Some mods abuse this behavior to detect when the player reloads a save (force an object to a smaller scale, and when it's no longer that scale, you know the player loaded a save), and even though saving is supposed to be transparent to the game, OpenMW replicates this so mods can react to loading a save.

I don't know how race height and weight interacts with this object scale limit, but I wouldn't rely on anything outside of 0.5 to 2.0 if vanilla doesn't allow it.

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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by SatoriLotus » 14 Aug 2017, 00:16

You had me scared there Chris, but I just tested out saving, restarting, and loading and it seems to be fine.

Thanks for the info, though. Now I know that I'll need to avoid scaling with Minish settlements and just use small models instead.


Now if only some of MW's meshes had tighter collision.


Does anyone know if there are plans to do away with the object scale limit? Or is there a technical need for it?




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Re: Race height/weight limited to minimum of 0.5 scale

Post by Chris » 14 Aug 2017, 09:20

SatoriLotus wrote:
14 Aug 2017, 00:16
Or is there a technical need for it?
Not much of a technical reason. Though the general purpose of limiting the scaling is to keep the mesh and texel scaling from going out of control. If you scale down an object a lot, the same polygons and textures cover a smaller area, which makes it seem more detailed compared to other things around it. Similar if you scale it up a lot, the same polygons and texture cover a larger area, making it seem less detailed (blurrier textures, courser polygons) compared to other things.

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